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Western Harbour Tunnel & Warringah Freeway Upgrade
Inner West
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A new crossing of Sydney Harbour involving twin tunnels connecting WestConnex at Rozelle and the existing Warringah Freeway at North Sydney, and upgrade of the Warringah Freeway to connect with the Beaches Link and the Gore Hill Freeway Connection.
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If we have to have a tunnel
- as deep as possible,
- increase affected zone to 250m (not 50m) either side as in Victoria
-construct real tunnel way off site eg Port Kembla and barge it up NOT to be constructed in Glebe or White Bay...….horrific idea!
- ALL smoke stacks MUST BE FILTERED
-real tunnel NOT a pipe in a trench
I hate this tunnel proposal . I am so tired of living in a city which is being dug up at every turn.
Paulina Hopkins
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Paulina Hopkins
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I provide specific detailed objections below.
I object to this project because according to the information in Appendix F - Traffic and Transport there is very little improvement in travel times. For example, table 7-19 (morning peak - Warringah Freeway) states the Average vehicle trip time through the network would be 5:37 with the project and 6:01 without.
I object that Transport for NSW has failed to consider other options to achieve a reduction in congestion and improved travel times for the relevant communities. Specifically, I believe a range of options should be analysed that include 1) funding via northbound tolling on the Harbour Bridge and Harbour Tunnel, 2) reduction in capacity allocated to private vehicles (in particular at peak time), 3) greater dedication of capacity to public transport - in particular bus lanes - with a focus on end-to-end trip times for commuters, 4) streamlining of the Warringah Freeway, without the tunnels and tollways. These should be modelled and compared. Instead the gross simplicity of 'Do something' (i.e. the WHT) and 'Do minimum' (i.e. nothing) are presented.
I object that the analysis doesn't identify the origins and destinations of travellers by mode (by time of day) and then seek to optimise the travel times, via consideration of a raft of strategic interventions. The EIS takes the traffic volumes on 'the network' and growth as a given and proceeds from there. Clearly there is an opportunity to shape the way we move around and deliver an improved system outcome, not just to deliver a (tunnel tollway) 'product' between A and B.
I object to the project because it doesn't improve the transport network for the people of the Lower North Shore. There are frequent mentions of the need to improve the resilience of the network, however there are already two crossings (Sydney Harbour Tunnel and Sydney Harbour Bridge). If both of these are blocked then access to the Sydney CBD isn't available. The proposed addition of the WHT doesn't actually help with resilience of access to the Sydney CBD.
I object that the summary information presents a 'spin' on the travel time improvements rather than what the modelling shows and what people can expect. An example is in the Executive Summary E-4 it says "journeys from Dee Why to Sydney Kingsford Smith Airport are expected to be 56 minutes faster" however this isn't shown in the analysis. Without traffic congestion that trip is currently 35-40 minutes by car. At peak time the trip is currently 75 minutes via B Line and Train. If we have a significant increase in the number of people going to the airport then it would make more sense to focus on public transport options to get everyone there faster. If there are a small number of people who insist on travelling by car from Dee Why to the Airport at peak time, then assuming Beaches Link Tunnel is done they could choose to use that on the Brookvale to Cammeray section and perhaps save 10 to 15 minutes. However, from that point they would travel via the Sydney Harbour Tunnel and Eastern Distributor to the airport. So those hypothetical travellers wouldn't actually use the WHT anyway. And this is an EIS for the WHT not the BL.
I object to the project documents not aligning between detail and summary / synthesis. For example, the detail reveals a huge amount of greenhouse gas impact from the construction and operation. However the summary concludes that this is a sustainable development. It is the antithesis of sustainable development.
This is not a project that Sydney needs. We need to reduce our greenhouse gases and switch to sustainable modes of transport. We should not be building more roads for private cars and inducing more people to enter the road systems in their private cars. We should be favouring public transport, for the vast majority in particular for those travelling at peak times.
I like the 30 minute concept but I think this is misrepresented as favouring the project. Section 7.2.2 is ridiculous. "Access to Sydney CBD would increase as a result of Western Harbour Tunnel, with trips from North Sydney being able to access Sydney CBD within 30 minutes by road". Everyone can already travel from North Sydney to various points in the Sydney CBD via public transport (Train or Bus) in about 10-15 minutes. There is no need to travel by road in a private vehicle. If you did you would have to add a further 10 minutes+ at both ends for parking. It isn't sensible to encourage people to drive into the Sydney CBD.
The 30 minute City is enabled by and is co-dependent on effective public transport. Not on travel by private car, via tunnels and tollways with parking at either end. TfNSW should be thinking of moving people all around between many different community centres, not just between both ends of a new tunnel.
We should allocate main roads capacity to public transport, trades and freight, in particular at peak time. Expansion of the public transport system should take an end-to-end journey time perspective and streamline interchanges.
I object that this project removes the bus layover on the Warringah Freeway - this currently helps the buses meet their timetable expectations. There is no modelling of the consequences of reduced reliability of bus services.
I object that this project doesn't address the complex intermodal / interchange requirements at North Sydney. It focuses on vehicle / network performance and not human travel time and amenity. It suggests that a deterioration of travel experience around North Sydney can be expected. This isn't a good thing! This project originates and pushes West-bound traffic down Berry Street and causes congestion problems. We need to focus on public transport for access to North Sydney and keep the private car volumes to a minimum so we can preserve and improve system outcomes for all.
I object that this project doesn't address the requirements and expectations of integration of travel between North Sydney and the Inner West. It focuses on 'plumbing in' to the M4-M5 road system. Due to the way the project has been sliced into pieces the Rozelle Interchange is already being built assuming the WHT will happen. I object to that approach as it favours further motorway development.
I object that the project will not deliver any benefits during the long construction period. I object that there will be substantial disbenefits / negatives and these will fall hard on our Lower North Shore community. We want improvements now and in the 2020-2025 period.
I object that simpler, less expensive and more scalable solutions could be and should be pursued now. Building on successes such as the B-Line buses.
I object on many other grounds that have been captured in the community consultation chapter and 7.3.1. Although that chapter summarises the feedback and references where in the EIS information is included, it doesn't actually address or respond to the feedback. One example will suffice: "Potential impact on local streets, rat runs, local road safety, construction traffic, impact on parking spaces, congestion, road network performance, local road connections, increased traffic, cumulative traffic impact, travel time". 4023 comments. The EIS presents information that confirms and substantiates the fears and concerns of the community. There will be negative impact on local streets, rat runs, congestion, increased traffic, etc. So why should the project proceed when all those negatives are presented in detail? It shouldn't proceed!
Rebecca Holbrook
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Rebecca Holbrook
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The project does not utilise available technologies to mitigate environmental impacts such as filters on air stacks.
The impacted areas include a number of schools and parks.
The project is not forward looking - assumes continued reliance on cars for transportation. Investment should be in public transport instead.
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I am excited by this project but I believe the traffic flows that you are proposing will impact the residents of Short Lane & Byrnes Avenue, Neutral Bay and it is possible that you have not considered these. I have attached a document that illustrates how that traffic flows during normal hours to access the tunnel and bridge. I have also proposed a simple solution (in my view anyway) that can potentially resolve the issue at hand as well as improve today's current difficulties.
The problems are not caused by your project. The problems are caused by too many cars traveling to fast with little consideration for people entering from a sidestreet. The proposal is to move an existing pedestrian traffic light westward 100m and synchronise it with a set of traffic lights 200m away so that traffic can flow without risk of crashing onto Tramway Lane and then to Military Rd giving them the ability to choose either Bent St, the bridge or the tunnel. This will alleviate unnecessary traffic that now flows onto Ernest St and decrease a ratrun used by us locals through Moodie St, cammeray to access the entrance ramp to the northbound freeway. In a nutshell, crossing Military Rd to access Tramway Lane is not for the faint hearted, it can be a terrifying prospect, so we have no choice but to instead stick to the left and go up Park Avenue to Ernest St. The attachment explains it better. Please feel free to discuss with me if you need further clarifications or have an even better idea. Thanks for listening !!!
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Jonathan PAGE
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Jonathan PAGE
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The actual level, danger and distribution of toxic vehicle exhaust chemicals is only now becoming clear. Earlier "safe" limits are likely too high for young children (and vulnerable elders). Personal measurement studies indicates higher exposure with travel through the city, at school dropoff/pick up points, near main roads and often indoors. This will only worsen as more cars, particularly diesel powered, enter our traffic nightmare, travelling longer distances as the city expands, but at slower pace. Recent evidence that public transport is not coping will divert customers into their cars, often 7 days a week.
Of the many toxic constituents of vehicle exhaust (especially diesel, even with exhaust modification), perhaps the most concerning are PM 2.5 and ultrafine particles (<0.01 microns), with a core of back carbon, carrying a payload of adherent noxious poisons. Black carbon itself is a known carcinogen, as are PAHs and many volatile substances. These particle flow into the alveoli of children and babies (plus adolescents and adults) causing dangerous immunological events, leading to acute illness or chronic (unmonitored) lung function damage or delayed serious morbidity. UFPs and some displaced chemicals are absorbed into the circulatory system leading to systemic toxicity, particularly cardiovascular and cerebrovascular (brain). Children may therefore be unable to reach their full potential physical and mental development.
But this not all! There is more unattended catastrophe - climate change, which will exacerbate the countless consequences of vehicle pollution, rendering the lives of most citizens particularly hazardous, again especially, the unborn, babies, children and the increasing number of our elderly folk. We will be exposed to more toxic wildfire smoke, recently at internationally alarming levels), but to return regularly, as temperatures rise further with past weather patterns in disarray. The future we are consigning to our children is abominable. Life will become increasingly indoors. With the vast loss of forest and our native animal population, on land in our rivers and at sea the psychospiritual impact will become intolerable for many, if not most. Thus the infliction of the malignant freeway/motorway infrastructure including the WHT, WFU and NBL is inexcusable. We should be steadily reducing private vehicle and other petroleum fuel use, aiming radically to halve current consumption by 50% by mid-decade. Obviously other specific and powerful measures are required urgently to drawn down CO2 and the wide array of other green houses gases.
It is important, indeed vital, that we awaken from our collective trance.
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- Climate change, air pollution - health - Syd
- Air Pollution - buildings - O3 - PM - mortality
- Climate Change - air pollution - mortality
- Climate Change - Methane- BC Emission Controls
- Air Pollution - Bushfire - Sydney -Health 2018
- Air Pollution -Clean Air Plan for Sydney
- Air Pollution - Diesel - Genetic change
- Air Pollution - Diesel particles - Pneumonia
- Air Pollution - Children- BC - UFP - Paris
- Air Pollution - Car exhaust real life
- Air Pollution - Vehic nano-particles -
- Air Pollution - Wildfire -Children
- Air Pollution - Wildfire - Critical impacts
- Climate Change - Wildfires -Health
- Climate Change, Wildfires, Heatwaves Australia
- Climate change and pollution - disentangling
- Climate Change - Suffering of Children
- Climate Change - Pollution - Indoor Health effects
- Climate Change, Air Quality, and Human Health
- Climate Change worsens air pollution impact China
- Climate change - Health - Children
- Climate Change - Children health
- Climate Change - Children health 2 2007
- Climate Change - child health rights NEJM
- Air Pollution - Health Effects - full paper
- Air Pollution - Impact on children lung - UK 2019
- Air Pollution Sydney - Health benefits if lower
- Air Pollution - Higher exposure in sprawling city
- Air Pollution and mental health - Comment
- Air Pollution and mental health
- Air Pollution and Climate Change Interaction
- Air Pollution and Alzheimers Disease
- Air Pollution - Ultra Fine Particles
- Air Pollution - UFP in utero -Asthma
- Air Pollution - UFP - sports fields
- Air Pollution - Diesel exhaust - Cancer
- Air Pollution - Diesel - Lung Cancer - Austr
- Air Pollution - CVS impact of PM2.5 2019
- Air Pollution - Cars -NO2 -Ca Lung
- Air Pollution - CVD - Europe 2019
- Aie Pollution - NO2 -epigenetic effects on fetus
- Air Pollution - Vehicular PAH - healths
Garrett Dwyer
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Garrett Dwyer
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For example
1. Have sufficient studies been done on other alternatives - say public transport
2.. Is it in the right location
3. Is it the right type of crossing
4. Has a proper AND IMPARTIAL cost benefit analysis been done.
4. Why are we sending all vehicles to the Rozelle Interchange. The area is currently grid locked. West Connex will be adding additional traffic loads AND now you want more.
5. Most overseas cities I have visited have a ring road system. They try to keep traffic away from the centre. Our planning and thinking is wrong
6. This project is being looked at in isolation. It does not address the future. A comprehensive study on Sydney's traffic plans for the next 50 years should be initiated,, and when that is resolved you should start planning the specific projects
As regards the current proposal some comments are:
1. The cut and cover across the Harbour should be abandoned. By having the one and continuous tunnel linking Rozelle to Cammeray you have no need to destroy Yuralbin Point for upto 4 years. There is no need for a casting yard in White Bay. Problems with a contaminated seabed go away (as it is not touched) The seabed environment is left untouched.
2. Unfiltered exhaust stacks IS A NO NO in our society. Why would you slowly poison the health of a community
3. The use of the Balmain Leagues Club site needs to be rethought. Upto 600 movements per day in and out of the site onto Victoria Rd will surely make Victoria Rd a carpark. we have all seen and witnessed how long it takes a truck to enter and leave a site when we have these wonderful lolipop warders stop the traffic and restart. Some movements will take upto 2 minutes to complete. This may add say 4 hours per day where one side (outgoing) is closed to traffic. UNACCEPTABLE
4. The "zone of influence" of 50m is unacceptable. It should be a minimum of 250m
In summary, take a deep breath, rethink the current proposal and if you cant do that, then please consider the specific concerns raised above.
As well, having previously worked on Government projects, I am making myself available to discuss these aspects with you.
Regards
Garrett Dwyer
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Crown Lands
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Crown Lands
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It really is a very special place. Unique is the only word for it.
So much green, so much bio-diversity.
The thought of you taking a large piece of the golf course, floods me with negative thoughts and feelings. The sensible thing to do, would be to acquisition some of the land next to the freeway, between the golf course and miller st. And its not very hard to keep the poor people getting kicked from their home happy. Its called a more than fair money settlement, so they can buy equal to or better in Cammeray. Second to that, its public land. Now i dont remember being asked for permission, and i certainly havnt seen anything resembling monies.
On that topic, i would propose building over the freeway, from Miller St all the way down to Pacific Hwy. This would tie the golf course, and Nth Sydney Oval together as a massive green belt. And further down, adjoining the Nth Syd CBD , office workers and everyone else for that matter, can simply stroll out of the concrete urban jungle and slip straight into green space. Government can make monies from event bookings, fireworks tickets etc
My stance at present, i will not allow this needless destruction of the golfcourse.
Unless,
The above mentioned green space over the freeway is included in the project.
Then i move to the unknown quantities of poisons and other hazardous materials which will be set free into our beautiful oasis of Tunks Park, Long Bay, and the surrounding bushland. Not to mention all the people who live adjoining. If you look at the photos of the past, it is a very deep ravine/valley, and it is full of fill. And the fill is hazardous. I know you say you will use this method or that technique to contain it, but hey, im in the building game, and i know how much gets through. And to execute this process precisely, takes too much time, which is too much money. Again, its cheaper to make very generous money offers to some individuals, and there is little risk of a poison catastrophe.
I now feel this is turning into a novel.
Some other points which the locals object to,
- unfiltered smoke stacks. This is an outrage.
- extra traffic that cammeray will be bombarded with.
I dont want to harp on any further, my baby girl just spewed everywhere Gastro.
In essence, The main topics that i request to be reviewed are,
- The golf course
- Flat rock gully
- unfiltered smoke stacks
There are very easy solutions to these three issues.
I hope you dont have to see me doing the eco warrior special, or the Mad Max Tribute.
Thankyou for your time.
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Thankyou in advance.
Murray Deakin
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Murray Deakin
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1. It is of fundamental importance to the integrity of the environmental impact process that the route of the Western Harbour Tunnel (as it passes under Waverton) not be changed from the route highlighted in Figure 20-4 on page 20-13 of the EIS. This route is consistent with advice given by the Major Projects team at the time my family purchased our property in Waverton last year. It is extremely important that the route not now be changed, as a number of other residents have relied upon this advice in recently purchasing their respective properties in Waverton. We have all relied upon the route passing under the upper section of Carr Street and then following Bay Road until it approaches the Pacific Highway. More specifically, it is very important that the tunnel not be shifted any further south or east from its current route. It is logical that the tunnel follows Bay Road, as this is likely to have the lowest impact upon neighbouring residents.
2. It is also important that the construction support site at Berrys Bay (WHT7) be designed to allow residents to have ongoing access to Carradah Park, as this park forms part of a very popular walk which starts at Waverton Park and continues through Carradah Park and ends at the Coal Loader on the far side of Balls Head Reserve. If it is impractical to provide ongoing access through Carradah Park along the waterfront, it is very important that another walkway be created or maintained behind the construction support site, in order to provide residents with ongoing access from Carradah Park to the Coal Loader.
Harry Partridge
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Harry Partridge
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I am a Structural Engineer with over 40 years experience of design and supervision of construction of all manner of infrastructure and building projects. I have a Masters in Engineering and a Grad Dip in Fine Arts. In this last degree I have studied Urban Planning, Placemaking and City building. The firm I co-founded 6 years ago, Cultural Capital, is a member of the Committee for Sydney and I regularly attend events on how to make Sydney a better place to live, work and play.
My objection is the short-sightedness of this project. Bradfield (one of the heroes in the Engineering world) looked very much to the future and designed the Harbour Bridge with a capacity for a time FIFTY YEARS IN THE FUTURE. His bridge cost $1.5B in today's money. The Western Harbour Tunnel will cost much more than that, yet has the same degree of future-proofing been applied? Where will the individual vehicle be in 2070? No-one knows but what we can say is that it will be a totally different scenario than today. Simply ratcheting up the existing situation will not work. Disruptive technologies like autonomous vehicles and driverless taxi services will also not solve our future transport needs (it simply means there will be more cars on the road). They may provide a temporary fix, but not for the longer term, and cannot justify the enormous expenditure of public money proposed here.
I have lived in London and Paris and have experienced the efficiency, speed and comfort of their Metro systems. We are now belatedly creating our own. Certainly if we wish to become a 'mega-city' of over 6 million people, the only feasible and possible to move us around will be by mass public transport.
Therefore I believe it is an extremely shortsighted solution to the problem of the Spit Bridge and Military road congestion. I have heard that the main reason for this new infrastructure is to feed more cars into the WestConnex to help pay its way. I don't know if this short-term, fiscal approach is true or not, but it does sound plausible.
I write this without hope as I know the political and commercial momentum that builds up to push this type of decision forward. I suspect this public engagement exercise will be just that - an exercise. Maybe a few little tweaks to pacify, but who in a leadership position has the courage and moral integrity to stand up for a better transport solution - a Metro - for my children and grandchildren? No-one I know in current politics or the bureaucracy.
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Also I Specifically object to the tunnelling under 3 Heritage houses in the crossing of Carr street (see my street address and the 2 properties opposite) these are all listed under R2 Low Den Res Registered. My property is listed for historical, aesthetic and representativeness and has many original features such as stained original windows, original plaster work timber work and sandstone foundations. Further details can be provided. All of which could be damaged by even low level vibration or subsidence. We have gone to great effort and expense to restore and preserve the heritage factors, I am very concerned that 3 beautiful properties will be damaged due to vibration and settlement during construction of the tunnel and the subsequent traffic going through tunnels at a depth of less than 50m.
The proposed tunnel route should be moved to the northern side of Bay road which will actually provide a more direct passage and elevation for the tunnel or alternatively it should be at a depth of equal to or greater than 50m to alleviate problems of noise and vibration and potential damage of these historic properties.
Also, I object to the amount of increased traffic on bay road Bay /Balls head road and potentially Carr street during the construction phase of the project. Bay road is already not coping with the significant amount of traffic due to the HMAS Waterhen as well as visitors using the Coal loader/Balls head reserve, any additional heavy traffic would increase the safety hazards. I would request the inclusion of speed governors (e.g. speed bumps) on Bay road and Balls Head road and that any heavy traffic be limited to business hours and that they be noise limited.
We ask that all the above be considered and an alternative to the proposed route or the depth of the tunnel be specified at 50meters, and this be discussed and decided prior to the construction. We are happy to provide more details and to discuss these objections constructively.
Douglas Bennett
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I would like to see an independent analysis on the projects viability and impact on the road network before it is approved. I would also like to see serious consideration by the government into allocated the billions of dollars invested in this project into alternative public transport solutions. I implore the planners at the NSW Department of Environment and Industries to listen to what academics and transport planners have been saying for years; that new roads and motorways are not the solution to congestion and traffic.
Filip Zahradnik
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Filip Zahradnik
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- potential impact of construction on my property. My house appears to be just outside the 50m zone of influence for the project. I understand that the alignment of the tunnel in the EIS is indicative and the final design may differ from the EIS, so we may end up being closer or further away. I am very concerned about reports of residents affected by other tunnelling projects suffering damage to their properties and being denied compensation. I am also concerned about the burden of proving causation should there be damage to my property.
I request that the zone of influence is increased to at least 250m, or more. If there is genuinely no impact to properties beyond 50m, then the widening of the zone of influence should be inconsequential - the cost of dilapidation reports for extra properties is negligible in a project of this size. Conversely, the impact of preventing residents genuinely impacted by the project from seeking compensation is severe. I also request that modern methods, such as satellite imaging, are used in dilapidation surveys and for monitoring during construction. I request provisions are made for more detailed monitoring of impact of noise, vibrations and ground movement are made on individual property level. Monitoring in all properties within the zone of influence as the tunnelling plant passes underneath should be feasible, and should help prove or disprove causation if damage occurs.
- destruction of Yurulbin Park. Using the Yurulbin Park site as a temporary construction site is likely to require extensive removal of trees. I understand that the park will be 'rebuilt' at the conclusion of the project. However, nothing can replace the loss of mature trees. Trees that will be planted will take decades to grow to the size of the current trees. Parks are not 'built' - parks grow. What makes Yurulbin Park special is dappled light filtering through the mature canopy of trees. Thinking that we can simply 'remove' and then 'rebuild' a park is an example of human hubris. This is the one point about the entire project that makes me genuinely angry.
- impact of dredging up contaminated sediment. The EIS present a very rosy picture around pollution caused by disturbing the contaminated sediment. The conclusions are based on modelling and averages. I am skeptical about whether it is possible to nearly completely eliminate the possibility negative impact to water quality, as the EIS suggests. I frequently come in contact with water in the harbour, both at Birchgrove Oval beach, and at Dawn Fraser Baths. What sort of measures will be in place to ensure that users of open spaces around the construction site are alerted in real time to health issues? And is there a better method of building the harbour section of the tunnel, one that does not necessitate dredging and removal of Yurulbin Park?
- the decision not to include any air filtration technologies. I understand that in-tunnel or in-stack filtration technologies cost money and is not perfect. However, that is not a reason not to include it in this project. We should learn from the past mistakes (i.e. allowing portal emissions) and be striving to build state of the art infrastructure, that will remain adequate for decades to come. Don't build something that will be overloaded and outdated in a few years.
Regards,
Filip
Sara Lewis
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Sara Lewis
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Tax payer funds should be directed to the areas of the city with the highest population growth, such as the south west - they urgently require more funds.
With the recent disastrous summer Australia has faced from an environmental perspective, the environmental footprint of this project just can not be allowed to go ahead. Air quality in Sydney has been among the worst in the world, any risk of increasing this, especially around schools can not be allowed to proceed.
Sydney has very few public green spaces, far less than many other large cities - the idea of removing any of these spaces,either for a number of years, or permanently as in Cammeray Golf Club can not be allowed to proceed. You are turning the city into an ugly concrete jungle.