Lindfield Learning Village

While I support the school and its internal facilities, I strongly object against its traffic planning and surroundings.
The biggest thing that doesn't make any sense is the TRAFFIC CONTROL. Roads are really narrow, and the plan indicates that Dunstan Grove will be the main entry. Whoever planned this has got to have something wrong with their brain and common sense!
We have a wide loop road down the staff car park, why not make use of that?
Secondly, NOISE. The Charles Bean sportsfield is already bad enough, with not just soccer players but spectators yelling, shouting, swearing, playing music, using BLOWHORNS to cheer with no regards that they're in residential area. Think about it: if I come up to your front yard and start yelling and using blow horns every day, I'd think you'll call the police, won't you?

To Whom it may concern:

Dear Madam or Sir, I currently living in the peaceful Dunstan Grove Community, and I am the committee members of Dunstan Grove, I object the project plan for a couple of reasons below.
1. Dunstan Grove, this place might be a name came from no where for you, but if we put the LLV Stage 2 & 3 Plan in reality, Dunstan Grove community is right next to
Lindfield Learning Village, how close, literally less than 10 metres away from each other, so if LLV Stage 2&3 Plan excluded the impact to us, it's not realistic, I suggest we
need to reconsider the Stage 2&3 Plan carefully, not only for the potential problems caused to LLV but also for the benefit of Dunstan Grove Community, there are 125
apartments with lovely families and friends here and also for the communities close as well.
2. As I mentioned above, there are serious concerns I had, particularly for traffic in LLV Stage 2&3 Plan, which I have listed down below for your reference:
a. Dunstan Grove is not suitable for bus to drive in, the width of the road doesn't meet the standard for bus to turn, due to the entrance is S shape, it doesn't allow bus
to turn as required unless stop the traffic from the other side, which is ridiculous, this will block entire Dunstan Grove from both side, plus, there is a huge rock
blocking the entire view, the traffic out of Dunstan Grove cannot see if there is any bus come into the road, and if this happen, all traffic goes out need to reverse, to
give way to school bus, this will cause seriously safety and traffic issue in the morning and afternoon.
b. In Stage 2&3 Planning, the traffic is assuming we will only have 14 buses in the morning and 14 buses in the afternoon, and 350 cars in the narrow Dunstan Grove
road, this assumption assumes the buses will be fully loaded every morning and afternoon, and year 10,11,12 students don't drive their cars to school at all and for
the 350 cars, I don't know how many kids they will carry. In reality, the buses won't be fully loaded, eventhough in the busiest time in CBD, the 14 school buses in the
morning and after won't be able to carry the students to school, and it required more school bus services, it might be 1.5 times, 2 time even 3 times, Dunstan Grove
won't be able to afford this amount of business in the morning and afternoon, also we are not talking about the Year 10,11,12 students come to school with their own
cars, and also I don't know what's the assumption we will only have 350 cars in the morning and afternoon, but I put a question mark on this as well.
c. In Stage 1 Plan, we were told all parents will drop their kids inside kiss and good bye zone inside school, the reality is every morning, we have parents drop their kids
outside school, on Dunstan Grove Road, this is happening right now, every morning, all traffice has to stop and give way to them, in stage 2&3 Plan, they are still
assuming parents will drop the kids inside school, but I can tell you, it won't happen, and they won't follow the plan, plus the heavy traffic condition each day, and
for the parents rushing to drop their kids and also the parents don't want to follow the rule, they will worsen the traffic condition.
3. Parkings, the parking assumption is based on UTS Kuring-gai campus parking model, which is not suitable for LLV, UTS Kuring-gai campus parking model is for
University students, which they only need 2 or 3 days in campus, however, for LLV, this will be full days students and teachers on site, 5 days a week, this will definitely
lead to serious parking issues for the community close by, not only Dunstan Grove, Short Ridge, Tubbs View, Hamilton Corner and also Eton Road, Abingdon Road,
Winchester Ave, these road close by, if we could use the budget of demolition the building to improve the parking issues on site in LLV, that will seriously change the
entire parking issue might happen once LLV Stage 2 and 3 deployed, so I object current Stage 2 and 3 Planning for LLV.
4. The last one and the most important one, I am in Dunstan Grove Committee, with LLV development, we are quite positive to support the entire development, we are
following up with LLV and School of Infrastructures time to time, for FY19-20, we had two meeting so far:
a. 11Sep 2019, Traffic and Transport Assessment has been issued by Arup, including the traffic requirement, assessment of numbers & Stage 2 Looping road proposal,
please refer to Phase 2 & 3 RtS - Appendix J Traffic Impact Assessment, it's issued 11Sep 2019, however, this was only uploaded recently, leaving us a very short
period of time to find out, and even worst is what happened next,
b. 25Sep 2019, we meet with school of Infrastructure, which they only provided the GoogleMap Image and didn't mention anything about the traffic report,
c. 19Nov 2019, we meet with School of Infrastructure for the second time, and in the meeting we called Arup, and ask if there is any Traffic impact numbers we can
access, both School of Infrastructure and Arup didn't provide the numbers, I don't have a clue why they didn't give us the details, even though they have the
details, they are keeping this away from us, we have the right to know this earlier and we will object this if we knew this in the first place, this is against the right to
know and no transparency for sure.
d. coming back to the public hearing, the 2nd public hearing is 07Dec 2019, we knew the date, because we have asked when it will be public hearing, and then we
were told the 1st public hearing has passed, and surprisingly, we were not informed for the 1st public hearing at all, for the significancy of this LLV Stage 2 and our
community, we are not informed, which make the 1st public hearing no objection, I don't want to judge the intention behind this, but this shouldn't be
happening to a Stage Significant Development Project in NSW, this is not professional behavior, and it makes the planning trustless and no transparency at all.

Please Do Seriously consider my objection for this LLV Stage 2 and 3 Planning, since this was not carefully planned and have no transparency and trustless. Thanks.

K.Rgds
Committee Members of Dunstan Grove

As a local resident and the unit owner. I strongly object to the project because the traffic problem will become so bad. 350-400 MORE CARS WILL TRAVEL ALONG ETON ROAD BETWEEN 7:30-900AM AND 2:30-500PM each week-day to drop-off and pick up students. We have a dog and kids, which will seriously affect the safety when we walk and drive back home.

Dear Navdeep,

I write with reference to the proposed Lindfield Learning Village Stages 2 and 3 and wish to express my objection to this.

Please note that I do not want my personal information to be made available.

Firstly, I’d like to express my dissatisfaction at the lack of overall community engagement until a very late stage. I am aware that the proposed changes have been drafted by Schools Infrastructure many months ago and have only just recently made this information available to the residents of Dunstan Grove.

I wish to express and make an official complaint in this respect owing to School’s Infrastructure’s seemingly strategized late communication in an effort to ignore, bypass and limit the community’s opportunity to object to these changes. The Schools Infrastructure’s actions have been nothing but unreasonable and shows a lack of respect and consideration to community engagement.

Whilst I acknowledge the importance of a local school and am supportive of same, I am extremely concerned about the effects, changes and safety issues associated with modification and relocation of the existing children drop off and pick u routes into Dunstan Grove.

I have learnt the traffic report provides that from 7.30am - 9.30am and 2.30pm - 5.00pm there will be 350 cars and 14 buses down Dunstan Grove in the morning, and it is likely the same number in the afternoons. I understand these numbers excludes certain estimates in the higher year students and as such, these estimates are conservative at best, meaning the impact on local residents is likely to be significantly higher than these understated numbers.

As a best case estimate, this equates to a car every 20 seconds and a bus every 8 minutes as an absolute minimum, resulting in a significantly increased and high flow of traffic in an area which can be described as not ever being suitable and and remains ill-equipped to handle this volume.

There are a number of issues with this and please note my concerns as follows:

• Pedestrian Safety – Personally, I have a 5 year old daughter who will be attending a school nearby (not Lindfield Learning Village) and her safety as a young pedestrian practicing road safety is my priority.

Currently, Dunstan Grove residents and school children must cross Dunstan Grove to get to the school or bus stop. The current unmarked crossing is on a blind corner and is already very dangerous with the light volume of traffic currently in the area.

This is already extremely dangerous and with the proposed increased traffic, will become even more dangerous and in particular for children.

Currently, there is no consideration in the proposal about how this will be dealt with. Again, I want the eastern alternatives to be further considered.

The proposal also relies on 200 children walking to school as part of its traffic assessment. It claims that the there is a safe, continuous walkway from the school to Lindfield Public, but this is not the case. There are no pedestrian crossings and school children will be forced to cross the road unsafely in four different situations.

There are also sections where the footpath is non-compliant with there being no space for children, cyclists and other footpath users to safely pass (people are forced to use the roads).

Additionally, there is no footpath to Roseville Station and children will be forced to walk on the road with the buses. I want the footpaths and pedestrian crossings to be properly installed to ensure the safely of school children and residents before the additional increased traffic commences.


• Vehicle Safety – Dunstan Grove is a very narrow and curved road and was only intended for very limited access back when UTS was in existence. It is already extremely tight for cars to pass each other in opposite directions and I have personally experienced a number of near misses already with oncoming vehicles. Further there are very limited sight lines and blind corners leading into Dunstan Grove and with the introduction of many buses throughout the day, this will only deteriorate. Additionally, there are already delays while cars park (and double park) at the oval community centre and if Stages 2 and 3 of the current project proceed, it will only result in a further bottle-necking of the area.

Significantly, there is a lack of any assessments on how buses can safely fit down the road with traffic travelling in the opposite direction. Especially around the blind corners and the lack of line of sight.

Schools Infrastructure have made minimal, if not, nil attempts to demonstrate investigation of alternatives to the proposed Loop Road. Nor has it considered the safety of local residents with the introduction of many buses into the area.

In my eyes, they have simply chosen the cheapest, easiest and most convenient option for themselves, at the expense of the Dunstan Grove community, who will experience significant road and safety issues as well as increased congestion. Our Committee has provided 2 alternative proposals that keep the traffic on the eastern side of the site (within the school boundary) which would remove these safety issues. I understand there has been no response to these alternatives and I wish for these to be responded to and further considered.

• Noise impacts – The noise report is extremely limited in it’s estimates and lacks information on the real impact to residents.

I note the report selfishly considers noise impact only once the cars and buses are inside the school grounds. It fails to give consideration to bringing all the school traffic within metres of our residential buildings and it’s impact to our community.

From experience (see construction impact below), I am of the view that this will have a huge impact on our residents and I am very concerned that it has not been addressed at all. It is another reason why this proposed loop road should be rejected and further alternatives from our community to be considered.

• Construction Impact – During the Stage 1 of construction, we had regular issues with road blockages in Dunstan Grove associated with deliveries and trades people parking illegally to unload. This generated considerable noise (reversing beepers) as well as numerous delays in trying to get in or out of our property, and this was when the main access was at the front of the school!

The Construction Management Plan for Stage 2 and 3 now shows the main site access being directly at our driveway and buildings. We will experience more noise and impact from this site access than in stage 1. There is simply no reason for it to be here, when it can be accessed from the existing roads and sites on the eastern side. I want this plan changed to enforce access from the eastern side of the school. Our Owners Committee also requested this and again, there has been nil response and the community’s feedback has been ignored.

Separately, I also wish to obtain any information from Schools Infrastructure in relation to the risks and impact from dust, disease and asbestos, noting the proposed construction site is only metres away from residential dwellings.

• Traffic Flow Impact – I understand traffic will be controlled at certain times of the day with the use of gates into the School on the Loop road. There is currently a lack of information available to document how this may potentially impact on banked up traffic leading to gate-open times and how this will affect residents who just want to simply return home. This will be significant, particularly during the times between 230 to 5pm. I can only just imagine banked up traffic leading to extensive delays for residents. As mentioned earlier, there is a lack of consideration on the impacts of same and again, I wish for the alternatives submitted by the Dunstan Grove to be further considered.

Further to my points above I am also concerned that: -

• This proposal has been kept secret from local residents for 18 months and is now being rushed through during the Christmas period. There has not been adequate time allowed for proper consultation or time to understand the impacts of the proposal. The Department must not rush the planning process and give proper consideration and due diligence to the community’s concerns and objections, particularly given the errors, misleading statements and inadequate assessment in the RTS submitted.

• Inconsistent and inadequate documentation – The RTS incorrectly states that no works are proposed in the E3 Environmental Management Zone, when in fact the Loop Road and various other works are proposed. There are also inconsistencies in the documentation that are unclear about who will be able to use the Loop Road. The Noise Report is unclear and doesn't properly identify which dwellings will be affected by noise.

• If Stages 2 and 3 proceed as planned, it opens up regular public access to our currently secluded area. My enjoyment of a peaceful and quiet community is likely to be impacted by a number of students, parents and cars including potential for trespassers and illegally parked cars. This is something I do not want and I respectfully request that the school return the flow of traffic back into it’s existing areas whilst considering the alternatives submitted by the Dunstan Grove committee members.

In summary, the proposed changes released at this very late stage gives me and my family serious concerns associated with pedestrian safety, vehicle safety, noise impact, traffic management impact and my family’s heath and well-being.

I hope that you take my concerns into consideration when processing the LLV Schools Infrastructure proposal.

I am writing to you as a resident of Dunstan Grove , to express my concerns with some aspect of the proposed planning for Lindfield Learning Village Stage 2 and 3

Please find below the different grounds on which I strongly object to this proposal and which will be further expanded upon.

I strongly object to this proposed Lindfield Learning Village Stages 2 and 3 on the following grounds:
1. Access, traffic and road safety
2. Construction and noise impact
3. Insufficient and inconsistent documentation

1) Access, traffic and road safety
• I am very concerned to learn that it is planned to modify the existing access route for drop-off & pick-up of children from the eastern side of the school into Dunstan Grove. Dunstan Grove is a very narrow and curved road and was only built for very limited access. It is already very tight for cars to pass each other, with limited sight lines and there are already delays while cars park at the oval community centre. There is no assessment of how buses can fit down the road safely with traffic travelling in the opposite direction. Schools Infrastructure has made no attempt to demonstrate investigation of alternatives to the proposed Loop Road. They have clearly chosen the cheapest and easiest option for themselves, at the expense of the Dunstan Grove community, who will experience significant road and safety issues and increased traffic congestion. Our Committee has provided 2 alternative proposals that keep the traffic on the eastern side of the site (within the school boundary) which would remove these safety issues. I want these to be further considered.

• Dunstan Grove residents and school children must cross Dunstan Grove to get to the school or bus stop. The current unmarked crossing is on a blind corner and is already very dangerous with the current light traffic. This will become extremely dangerous with the proposed increased traffic. There is no consideration in the proposal about how this will be dealt with. Similarly, there is no provision for a crossing at the school entry and the current crossing there is not suitable for accessible use. Again, I want the eastern alternatives to be further considered.
The proposal also relies on 200 children walking to school as part of its traffic assessment. It claims that the there is a safe, continuous walkway from the school to Lindfield Public, but this is not the case. There are no pedestrian crossings and school children will be forced to cross the road unsafely in four situations. There are also sections where the footpath is not compliant with no space for children, cyclists and other footpath users to safely pass (people are forced to use the roads) Additionally, there is no footpath to Roseville Station and children will be forced to walk on the road with the buses. I want the footpaths and pedestrian crossings to be properly installed to ensure the safety of school children and residents before the additional increased traffic commences.


2) Construction and noise impact
• There are no consideration given to Dunstan Grove residents in regards to noise impact. The noise report only consider the impact once the cars and buses are inside the school grounds. This will have a huge impact on Dunstan Grove residents and has not been addressed at all. This is another reason why this proposed loop road should be rejected.

• During the stage 1 of the construction, we had continuous issued with road being blocked due to deliveries and trade people stopping to unload. This generated significant noise as well as frequent delays in trying to get in or out of our property, and this was when the main access was at the front of the school! The Construction Management Plan for Stage 2 and 3 now shows the main site access being directly at our driveway and buildings. We will experience more noise and impact from this site access than in stage 1. There is no reason for it to be here, when they can access the site from the existing roads on the eastern side. I want this plan changed to enforce access from the eastern side of the school. This was also requested by our Owners Committee and ignored.

3) Insufficient and inconsistent documentation
• The RTS incorrectly states that no works are proposed in the E3 Environmental Management Zone, when in fact the Loop Road and various other works are proposed. There are also inconsistencies in the documentation that are unclear about who will be able to use the Loop Road. The Noise Report is unclear and doesn't properly identify which dwellings will be affected by noise.


Based on the facts above, as a close neighbour of Lindfield Learning Village; I believe that the planned proposal will have a serious impact on the overall safety and living quality of Dunstan Grove Community.

In summary, this proposed Lindfield Learning Village Stages 2 and 3 is not suitable and should be refused on all the objections raised above.
I hope that you take my concerns into consideration when processing the Lindfield Learning Village Schools Infrastructure proposal.

As a resident of Dunstan Grove, I would like to formally express my strong objection to the proposed planning for Lindfield Learning Village Stages 2.

The proposed loop road scheme by demolishing part of the school building near the roundabout and the entrance to our car park to accommodate 500 cars plus 28 buses doing morning drop-off and afternoon pick-up is unsound and will cause serious safety issues and deliver a loss of amenity for me and my community. A very significant danger is the fact that Dunstan Grove road infrastructure is inadequate to accommodate such traffic safely and efficiently.

I am very concerned that:
• At present, the road is hardly wide enough for cars travelling in each direction, let alone buses
• The safety of pedestrian who will be forced to cross the road at the bridge, on an unmarked crossing with very poor sight lines
• The likely volume of traffic that will travel down Dunstan Grove in the morning and afternoon peak will have impact on the amenity of our property
• The construction management plan for stage 2 & 3 are showing the main site access being directly at our driveway and buildings – there is no reason for it to be here when you can access the site from the existing roads on the eastern side
• This proposal has been kept secret from local residents for 18 months and is now being rushed through during Christmas period

There has to be a better way. I vehemently object to you simply choosing the cheapest options and easy way out for the school, at the expense of the Dunstan Grove community who will experience significant road and safety issues and increased congestion.

I believe our Committee has provided couple of alternative proposals that keep the traffic on the eastern side of the site (within the school boundary) which will remove all the above issues:
• All student transport (bus and cars) is via the existing front entry or the existing car parks
• All construction access is done via the existing (east) car parks
• Consideration to reduce the approved number of students for the school given that current numbers are already having an impact on local traffic

As a local resident, I am in support of the continuation and development of the school. However, as mentioned above, we believe there to be a significant number of serious issues related to the stage 2 proposal.
Overall, I feel the amendment that would allow this to take place is not in the best interest of the resident of Dunstan Grove, and I strongly urge you to reconsider your decision.
Please take us into consideration when making the decision. Hopefully the right one.

Dear Department of Planning,
An application submission has been made to raise the student enrolment of Lindfield Learning Village to 2000 students by 2022. This has raised a major concern within the local community on Eton Rd Lindfield. If this application is granted the following, issues will be of concern.
• 400 more cars will travel along Eton Rd
• 14 more buses morning and afternoon
• Safe access on Eton Rd is a major issue. Footpaths not wide enough to cater with the amount of students walking and local residents.
• Unsafe conditions with increased traffic when trying to cross Eton Rd. A pedestrian crossing needs to be introduced.
• Parking problems for locals, students and teachers.
• Car pollution will cause immediate and long-term effects on the local environment. Car exhausts will emit a wide range of gases and solid matter, causing harm on the environment and human health. Also the engine noise and fuel spill will cause pollution in the local area.
A lack of planning and a rush to pass this submission has raised increased the amount of stresses and concerns amongst the local community. We are not against the school being there but the amount of students being enrolled and lack of infrastructure will have significant impact and major concern.
Before this application is granted, can you please consider the following?
• Widening existing footpaths and placing new footpaths were only grass exists at the moment on Eton Rd.
• A pedestrian crossing being introduced on Eton Rd for students and locals to use to address safety concerns
• At the moment there is only one way in and one way out of the school. This in itself is a major issue. Could a new road be built coming in and out of the school? Roads to consider are Lady Game Drive and Mowbray Rd.

Dear Department of Planning,
An application submission has been made to raise the student enrolment of Lindfield Learning Village to 2000 students by 2022. This has raised a major concern within the local community on Eton Rd Lindfield. If this application is granted the following, issues will be of concern.
• 400 more cars will travel along Eton Rd
• 14 more buses morning and afternoon
• Safe access on Eton Rd is a major issue. Footpaths not wide enough to cater with the amount of students walking and local residents.
• Unsafe conditions with increased traffic when trying to cross Eton Rd. A pedestrian crossing needs to be introduced.
• Parking problems for locals, students and teachers.
• Car pollution will cause immediate and long-term effects on the local environment. Car exhausts will emit a wide range of gases and solid matter, causing harm on the environment and human health. Also the engine noise and fuel spill will cause pollution in the local area.
A lack of planning and a rush to pass this submission has raised increased the amount of stresses and concerns amongst the local community. We are not against the school being there but the amount of students being enrolled and lack of infrastructure will have significant impact and major concern.
Before this application is granted, can you please consider the following?
• Widening existing footpaths and placing new footpaths were only grass exists at the moment on Eton Rd.
• A pedestrian crossing being introduced on Eton Rd for students and locals to use to address safety concerns
• At the moment there is only one way in and one way out of the school. This in itself is a major issue. Could a new road be built coming in and out of the school? Roads to consider are Lady Game Drive and Mowbray Rd.

Dear Department of Planning,
An application submission has been made to raise the student enrolment of Lindfield Learning Village to 2000 students by 2022. This has raised a major concern within the local community on Eton Rd Lindfield. If this application is granted the following, issues will be of concern.
• 400 more cars will travel along Eton Rd
• 14 more buses morning and afternoon
• Safe access on Eton Rd is a major issue. Footpaths not wide enough to cater with the amount of students walking and local residents.
• Unsafe conditions with increased traffic when trying to cross Eton Rd. A pedestrian crossing needs to be introduced.
• Parking problems for locals, students and teachers.
• Car pollution will cause immediate and long-term effects on the local environment. Car exhausts will emit a wide range of gases and solid matter, causing harm on the environment and human health. Also the engine noise and fuel spill will cause pollution in the local area.
A lack of planning and a rush to pass this submission has raised increased the amount of stresses and concerns amongst the local community. We are not against the school being there but the amount of students being enrolled and lack of infrastructure will have significant impact and major concern.
Before this application is granted, can you please consider the following?
• Widening existing footpaths and placing new footpaths were only grass exists at the moment on Eton Rd.
• A pedestrian crossing being introduced on Eton Rd for students and locals to use to address safety concerns
• At the moment there is only one way in and one way out of the school. This in itself is a major issue. Could a new road be built coming in and out of the school? Roads to consider are Lady Game Drive and Mowbray Rd.

A new public school in my neighbourhood, for that matter anywhere, is always a desirable project. However this project as it stands now has not been fully thought through and will have major adverse impacts.

In this day and age, it is unviable and unsustainable to be planning a school with elements of traditional model of dropping and picking up kids by private cars. The project should be planned based largely on bicycling, walking and public transport. This should apply to all the staff working in the school as well.

What is missing in the project scope which of included will make this project viable are the following
a) Dedicated cycling track (not just new lines marked on existing narrow suburban roads) from Lindfield, Roseville and North Ryde train/metro stations.
b) Dedicated off street, safe, well lit and gentle walking tracks to West Lindfield and Chatswood West from the south side of the school.
c) Frequent shuttle buses from Lindfield Station to the school, open for use by the public and local residents in addition to school students and staff

The proposal as it stands will make Eton Road a major bottle neck. No matter whatever traffic improvements is done to Pacific Highway/Grosvenor Road and Lady Game Drive (that the project documents vaguely mentions without any back up details, time lines, etc) ultimately all the vehicles can get into the Learning Village only via Eton Road, which basically as it stands now, is a narrow suburban road. It is true that, that's how it was, when the site of the school, was in use by UTS. But since UTS closed down, there are a number of medium density apartment buildings/town house complexes there now (ie Tubbs View, Shout Ridge, Dunstan Grove, Hamilton Corner, etc) with hundreds of new dwellings. In addition there are hundreds of new homes which are currently in the design build phase (including Barton Place as well as the old Screen Australia site. All of these dwellings are dependent for access only on Eton Road.
In the event of an unexpected bush fire, requiring emergency evacuation, this will create a MAJOR DISASTER. It will be a CATASTROPHY, if access to Eton Road is blocked by bush fire or other natural/man made disaster. The Project Documents talks about possible evacuation by foot. Completely callous and unacceptable in the event of an emergency.

As it is there are inadequate pedestrian walkways on Abingdon Road and Bent Street. In addition there are no safe pedestrian crossings in Abingon/Eton Road intersection, Eton Road/Shout Ridge intersection (especially when there are frequent major sporting events in Charles Bean Oval) , Eton Road/Winchester Road intersection and Eton Road/Austral Avenue intersection. When this project is completed these intersection will be much more dangerous for pedestrians. Addressing these pedestrian issues need to be in scope of this project with firm time lines (not some vague mention about Council needs to address this)

There are bound to be parking (and illegal parking) issues for the local residents and visitors in Tubbs View, Shout Ridge, Dunstan Grove, Hamilton Corner, Abingdon Road, Eton Road and Winchester Road, if this proposal goes ahead as it stands now. Again this needs to be anticipated and addressed well before the project is completed.

I do hope these issues and suggestions are adequately addressed to make this project viable.

I am writing to you to lodge my objection to the proposed Lindfield Learning Village Stages 2 and 3.
(Please do not disclose my personal information)

There are few reasons I object to the current proposal,
*Pedestrian safety: There are many young children who uses the walkway, including my own child and with current traffic amount it already be very dangerous especially the rush hours due to lack of a crossing/ blindspot mirror/ warning signs.
*Vehicle safety: The road is not only a blind spot, it is also very narrow with slope, i often see normal size car crossing over to the other side of the road, and whenever the garbage truck or a removalist vehicle drives in or out of Dunstan Grove they almost certain required other cars to give way, I simply cannot imagine if buses coming over on a daily bases.
The proposal has been kept secret from local residents for 18 months and is now being rushed through during the Christmas period. There has not been adequate time allowed for proper consultation or time to understand the impacts of the proposal. The Department must not rush the planning process and give proper consideration of the community’s objections, particularly given the errors, misleading statements and inadequate assessment in the RTS submitted.
Apparently there are alternative solution to the problem, however it seems like the project team are willing risk the safety of the resident or the people who is going to the Learning village. I strongly hope that you take my concerns into consideration when processing the LLV Schools Infrastructure proposal.

Please find the attached pdf document listing my objection to Lindfield Learning Village, as currently proposed.

We are residents within Dunstan Grove Lindfield. Generally we welcome Lindfield Learning Village as a school into our community. The community is geographically located in a secluded area within the increasingly populated North Shore. With such dense population and limited share facilities, any development within the area will impact all of us including the School community itself. It is our wish that the School fosters a long term relationship with the local community. Such move should be in line with the School's ethos too, we hope.
However it really disappoints us when we were recently informed of specific details relating to the traffic and road management for the sole benefit of the School. There was a lack of genuine community consultation by the relevant government bodies regarding the School's stages 2 & 3 developments. To put forward details of the proposed development at the end of the year when most people do not have reasonable time to carefully consider the impact of such proposed developments.
We ask that the relevant government bodies push back decisions on the developments at least 3 months into next year to allow reasonable consultation with our community.
Further, we are gravely concerned about the significant and negative long term impacts that stages 2 and 3 development for Lindfield Learning Village will have to our community's pedestrian safety (especially many children and elderly walking about Eton Road, Dunstan Grove, and Shout Ridge), the noise levels and pollution levels. Currently the School has only a few hundred kids plus 40 staff and parents/carers in and out of the School. Yet already we have suffered not only from the noise, dusts and rudeness of workers working on the site last year leading up to Christmas, we also suffered throughout the year from the many additional cars in and out and about the School, not observing to any speed limits nor taking precautions driving about the pedestrian crossings. Morning and afternoon heavy traffic also made it incredibly stressful for us residents within the area. We strongly object to the proposed School traffic route diverting cars pass Charles Beans community centre car spaces and down Dunstan Grove, entering the School just before the only entrance/exit to the Dunstan Grove buildings. This traffic can be easily diverted into and within the School grounds entering from the left hand side just off Eton Road near the School gate. Why did the next stages development not consider that option carefully but simply off-loaded the entire traffic flow onto an already narrow and congested route? There are a number of blind spots on that route both for drivers and pedestrians.
In addition, with the real and increasing dangers and threats of bush fire in the area, an uncongested and clear access routes around the Dunstan Grove community is absolutely vital and life saving for the community.
We ask that the relevant government bodies carefully re-consider the traffic surrounding the School, diverting all School traffic directly into the School carpark and back of the School site without loading onto the narrow route down Dunstan Grove and put in stricter regulations on the construction workers working on the School site. The hours of construction work should not go late into midnight (which was what we experienced with rushed construction work going on within School last year) and that they should give precedence to cars of residents living nearby instead of unreasonably blocking our access. Often we had to wait for up to 10 minutes for the workers to finish casually chatting to each other or them blocking accessway simply for their own vehicles maneuvering about (not construction vehicles) whilst we waited in our cars - we were illegally denied access to our public roads just because they had the lolly pops.
We are in support of a detailed submission which will be made by the Dunstan Grove Owners Committee and ask that our concerns are addressed seriously (with evidence of such genuine consideration by the government bodies) before a determination can be made of how the School's traffic will be managed with increased student numbers and how the construction workers and hours of construction will be managed.

Please review my objection letter attached.

There is currently a vital need for a paved footpath along the entire length of Abingdon Road from Shirley Rd to Eaton Rd. Many pedestrians are already walking along the length of Abingdon Road on the Roadway, some are elderly with walking sticks and many others are parents with children in prams or strollers, in addition many young children ride their bikes and scooters along Abingdon Rd. All of these pedestrians are forced to share the road with a regular bus service that uses the same narrow route. The nature strip along Abingdon Road is currently just too rough and uneven for most pedestrians. Pedestrian traffic on Abingdon Road will increase with the development of Lindfield Learning Village, so it is important to provide a safe paved footpath for the entire length of this road before a fatal accident occurs. Please see photos attached which I found on Google Street view of a child riding a bicycle, alone, on a narrow part of Abingdon Road where the Bus also goes.... Yours sincerely Matt Flood.

I believe there are major road and pedestrian problems associated with this project.

Firstly on a personal note I think the increase in traffic particularly at peak periods will make exiting our driveway even more hazardous. The current non-standard give-way signs at the corner of Eton Rd and Austral Ave, apart from confusing many drivers particularly those turning from Austral Ave into Eton Rd, means some traffic turning from Austral Ave to proceed west on Eton Rd is taking the corner at speed and making it extremely difficult to assess traffic separation while exiting our driveway. This situation is even more hazardous when, especially during peak periods, traffic is queued west from the give-way sign along Eton Rd, effectively making this a blind corner for the traffic coming from Austral Ave. I also note that there is a proposed pedestrian crossing on Austral Ave at this intersection, this will make this even more confusing for drivers and dangerous for pedestrians due to the slope of the roads, the speed of the traffic trying to avoid Grosvenor Rd during peak periods and the lack of adequate vision for drivers.

Secondly, while I note that some work has been done on sidewalks, these remain sub-standard or non-existent in places. Eton Rd only has a sidewalk on the northern side of the road which stops near the Abingdon Rd intersection and Abingdon Rd does not have any sidewalks. Also, sidewalks in several areas are located on different sides of the road and lack any pedestrian crossings. Traffic westbound on Eton Rd and both directions on Grosvenor Rd in particular tends to travel in excess of the speed limit, as evidenced by the regular police speed camera presence on Grosvenor Rd, and there is no safe pedestrian crossings until the Pacific Highway/Lindfield Public School area.

Finally, having lived in this area in excess of 20 years I am not in favour of placing more parking restrictions that will impact local residents. While it was common to have traffic parked on the local streets when the UTS was operating, parking should now be made available to the employees and students of the school within the school grounds. While Public transport was available to UTS students and staff and there was a dedicated UTS bus running at the time this was not an enticement for people to use public transport. The local streets were often congested with legally and illegally parked cars and I fail to see that this will be any different now. Given the argument that there is insufficient space within the grounds of the school, perhaps given the proposed enrolment numbers, a multiple storey car park should be built over the existing car park foot print.

Regards,

Eton Rd Resident

Dear Madem/Sir,


I writing to express my objection about the Exhibition of State Significant Development Application – Response to Submissions and Revised Proposal of Lindfield Learning Village (LLV) Phases 2 and 3 Application No. SSD-8114.
I am writing as an owner-occupied resident of Dunstan Grove, Lindfield. I have been living at Dunstan Grove for 4 years.
Dunstan Grove is located at the end of the Eton Road. The road is an extremely narrow and curved road and was only built for very limited access. The proposed loop road to cater for the projected 2,000 students that mean approximately 14 buses and 300-400 cars travelling down Dustan Grove road mornings and afternoons. This prone a very significant danger in the fact that Dunstan Grove road infrastructure is incapable of accommodating such traffic safely and efficiently.
Safety - The proposal ignores the safety of Dunstan Grove residents, general public and the students and staff at Lindfield Learning Village. It will be extremely dangerous for Dunstan Grove residents and general public in the morning and in the afternoon exiting and entering to the resident carpark experiencing the heavy number of cars and buses sharing the same narrow and curved Eton Road. Also, during the recent community information session on Saturday 7 December at The Roseville Club we were told to by the planners that footpath on Dunstan Gove will be demolished to accommodate widening of the road. This is just a total ignorance of the surround residences and Lane Cove National Park user’s safety, not to mention the risk and inconvenience caused for young families with children and prams and elderly who travel up/down the road daily.
In addition, with the commencement of school operations in January this year, the increase in traffic has already shown that the local road and footpaths (where they exist) are inadequate and creating safety issues for all local residents and visitors. For your information, I was involved in a car accident on the Dunstan Grove road on a blind spot around one of the bent, and that was before even the school has commenced in early 2019. Since LLV commenced this year I had two close calls of car accident as parents driving failed to observe of the Stop sign as the exit LLV onto Dunstan Grove road.
Construction Impact – During the Phase 1 of construction, we had continuous issues with road blockages due to deliveries down Dunstan Grove and trades people parking to unload. This generated considerable noise (reversing beepers) as well as numerous delays in trying to get in or out of our property, and this was when the main access was at the front of the school! The Construction Management Plan for Stage 2 and 3 now shows the main site access being directly at our driveway and buildings. We will experience more noise and impact from this site access than in stage 1. There is no reason for it to be here, when they can access the site from the existing roads on the eastern side. I want this plan changed to enforce access from the eastern side of the school. This was also requested by our Owners Committee and ignored.
Lindfield Learning Village project should treat safety as their first priority. They should revise their planning to enable all transport to be done from the existing road and the car parks on the eastern side of the School. Our Owners Committee has previously raised our concern to the project team and objected the plan. We also made submission on alternate options to the plan, however we got no respond from the project team.
As mentioned earlier, I have attended the community information session on Saturday 7 December at The Roseville Club. I was there to express my concerns and objection during the session. There were closed to 100 attendants at the Club, majority attendants were the residents of Dunstan Grove, attending with the same intention to object the Phases 2 and 3 Application.
With deepest disappointment, the community information session was merely a repetition display of the proposed Project for Phase 2 and Phase 3, without the mention and/or the consideration of the living communities surrounding LLV. The information session failed to address or take into consideration the issues our owners committee which have been already raised and discussed with one or more of the members of the project team in the previous meeting and numerous correspondence in the forms of writing and telephone conversation.

I support our Owners Committee’s objection to this plan and ask for your assistance to ensure this proposal is withdrawn, and more suitable, wider consideration is given to planning and accommodating the school within the community. Please help us to preserve the peaceful and private nature of our community.

Regards

K.C.
Dunstan Grove, Lindfield, NSW 2070

As a resident of Dunstan Grove I wish to make known my OBJECTION to the proposed development of the Loop Road around the Lindfield Learning Village and alongside Dunstan Grove.
I am writing to you to lodge my objection to the proposed Lindfield Learning Village Stages 2 and 3.
As a teacher, I am supportive of the school, however, I am extremely concerned about several issues:

1. SAFETY of children as well as the public and also the residents of Crimson Hill. At present there is an issue with this, and, with the proposed development of the Loop Road, with an extra 1500 students plus extra parents (approx. 1500 and 3000 if both parents are counted) plus teachers
and all the extra traffic - buses and cars plus building/construction personnel, also visiting sports associated people (for Charles Bean Oval), other schools who use the oval and so forth...The traffic report states that from 730am - 930am, and, 2.30pm - 5.00pm there will be 350 cars and 14
buses down Dunstan Grove in the morning, and it is likely the same number in the afternoons. This equates to a car every 20 seconds and a bus every 8 minutes - CRAZY! And the numbers will be much greater than this....
With this proposed development, the rate of probability for an accident to occur is extremely high. It is obvious to anyone who lives in this environment that there will be a DEATH of one or several people. We should not be put in such a dangerous situation as this at the front of our own homes.
Will it take a DEATH for things to change?? Does the government really want to take such high risks for public safety??
2. LITIGATION - due to the possible DEATHS/PERMANENT DISABILITY of people due to the dangerous traffic environment, can the government please consider the high probability of there being consequential court cases?
3. Pollution - Noise and Air Pollution will be extremely high with the extra vehicles - both cars and buses, exhaust fumes, noise of the extra possible 6000 plus people (students, parents, visitors to the school, teachers etc. The noise report only considers noise impact once the cars and buses are
inside the school grounds. It gives no consideration to now bringing all the school traffic within 10 metres of our residential buildings. This will have a huge impact on our residents and has not been addressed at all. It is another reason why this proposed loop road should be REJECTED.
4. Environmental Impact - no consideration has been given to the residents of Crimson Hill and how we enjoy the Lane Cove National Park starting from Symonds Trail at the end of our Private Drive-way. So much of the natural environment will be adversely affected - the destruction of trees, plants, native animals (who I see from my balcony). It is incomprehensible that the government would even consider destroying such a fragile environment by taking the Loop Road around the school and into part of the Lane Cove National Park. Also, A heritage-listed and Sulman Medal-winning building is partially being demolished to accommodate the loop road proposed as well as the removal of significant trees. The E3 zone was specifically drawn at the edge of the existing buildings so that the bushland setting of the heritage buildings could be maintained. The proposed Loop Road undermines this planning framework that set the community’s expectations for how this site would be developed in the future.
5. Construction Impact - having lived with 6 months of construction at our front door during the Phase 1 of construction, we had continuous issues with road blockages due to deliveries down Dunstan Grove and trades people parking to unload. This generated a high level of noise (reversing beepers) as well as numerous delays in trying to get in or out of OUR OWN property, and this was when the main access was at the front of the school! The Construction Management Plan for Stage 2 and 3 now shows the main site access being directly at our driveway and buildings. We will experience MUCH MORE noise and blockages from this site access than in stage 1. There is no reason for it to be here, when they can access the site from the existing roads on the eastern side.
I want this PLAN CHANGED to enforce access from the eastern side of the school. This was also requested by our Owners Committee and ignored.

POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS:
1. Please consider having buses use the existing bus shelter or develop this - it could certainly do with a revamp.
2. Please consider further extending the road into the school and as a loop road IN the school on the Eastern side (looking towards Chatswood).
3. Please consider LESS students as well - there are far too many people in one place, when the surrounding environment is considered. Already with only 500 students, we have noticed poor behaviour of these students in our neighbourhood (climbing fences, sitting on top of the bus shelter roof where the police had to be called, poor behaviour on the public buses etc.).
4. Please IMPROVE Pedestrian Safety – Dunstan Grove residents and school children must cross Dunstan Grove to get to the school or bus stop. The current unmarked crossing is on a blind corner and is already very dangerous with the current light traffic. This will become extremely dangerous with the proposed increased traffic. There is no consideration in the proposal about how this will be dealt with. There is no provision for a crossing at the school entry and the current crossing and this is not suitable for accessible use.
Again, I want the eastern alternatives to be further considered.
The proposal also relies on 200 children walking to school as part of its traffic assessment. It claims that the there is a safe, continuous walkway from the school to Lindfield Public School, but this is not the case. There are no pedestrian crossings and school children will be forced to cross the
road unsafely in four situations. There are also sections where the footpath is not compliant with no space for children, cyclists and other footpath users to safely pass (people are forced to use the roads). Additionally, there is no footpath to Roseville Station and children will be forced to
walk on the road with the buses. I want the footpaths and pedestrian crossings to be properly installed to ensure the safely of school children and residents before the additional number of children, parents, teachers, visitors are increased.

This proposal has been kept secret from local residents for 18 months and is now being rushed
through during the Christmas period. There has not been adequate time allowed for proper
consultation or time to understand the impacts of the proposal. The Department must not rush the
planning process and give proper consideration of the community’s objections, particularly given the
errors, misleading statements and inadequate assessment in the RTS submitted.

I hope that you take my concerns into consideration when processing the LLV Schools Infrastructure
proposal.

Kind regards,
A Dunstan Grove Citizen

I wish to object to the Lindfield Learning Village proposal.
The current traffic and transport arrangements in and around the Lindfield Learning Village cannot sustain an increase in the school population. I bring to your attention the Traffic Management report attached to the submission and note that is is woefully out of date. The data used precedes the completion of the additional thousands of residences now on the former UTS site and does not represent the reality of the situation.

I further note that the recommendations in the report to assist the traffic in the area have not been actioned even though the school has been open all year.

I strongly opposed the construction of a loop road at the southern end of the campus.
The proposal suggests that somehow building a loop road will ease the congestion - this will only extend the duration of the peak. There is still only one road (Eton Rd) in and out of the site. The cost to the natural environment (felling of a significant number of trees and desturction of native bushland) plus the months (or most likely years) of construction vehicles adding to the situation. This is a poorly thought through addition to the scope of the project which will achieve nothing and add additional pain for the residents and native flora and fauna.

I have been a resident of Eton Road for nearly 50 years and I can assure you that the volume of traffic is now significantly greater than at any time during its use as a teachers college, a college of advanced education or as a University campus and the parking within the education precinct has been reduced so that not even the number of staff at the current facility are catered for (before considering the use of cars by older students).
It is near impossible to exit the street during peak hours, on many occasions I cannot even get out of my driveway due to the volume of traffic.
I have personally witnessed on several occasions near misses of head on collisions along Abingdon Rd because cars are parked on both sides of the road, allowing only one car at a time to pass and the curves in the road make it impossible to see if a car is coming in the opposite direction. This already dangerous situation will be further compounded with this additional development.

The following intersections are already at capacity
Grosvenor Rd was at capacity (as noted in the report dated 2016) prior to the opening of the school and the additional residences and now creates a gridlock situation on a week day basis.
Lady Game Drive is also at capacity throughout peak hours and the increase in traffic volume for school drop-offs in and out will create an impossible situation.

I also bring to your attention the lack of community consultation in any part of the proposal. There has been no consultation to my knowledge and no attempt to understand the environment in which the school sits. This appears to be a proposal being rushed through without due consideration of the impact on the environment, the existing residents and the clients /future clients of the school. The proposal shows absolutely no consideration to the community - and offers no solutions to the problems it creates.

I am writing to you to lodge my objection to the proposed Lindfield Learning Village Stages 2 and 3. Refer to Attached

While I am very supportive of the school, I am very concerned to learn that it is planned to modify the existing access route for drop-off & pick-up of children from the eastern side of the school into Dunstan Grove.

I hope that you take my concerns into consideration when processing the LLV Schools Infrastructure proposal.